Buy Now Pay Later is something that has really come up in recent years. Companies are raising hundreds of millions in debt to put on their loan books so they can issue credit for companies to allow customers to buy now and pay in installments. Now obviously it becomes a credit product but it's also something that hasn't fallen under a lot of structured regulation. So it's been a little over the place, but it has allowed companies like Clana to grow into massive unicorns with a lot of companies following their cocktails. Now I'm wondering if this is a product that you have or will use, how you found it, if it has been a convenient product or if it's something that has caused more trouble than it has caused pleasure because a lot of people end up falling into traps buying now then setting themselves up to paying in installments but ending up actually eating into all their entire salary and struggling to them make ends meet while having a massive amount of credit they still need to pay and well and uh falling into the debt debt debt trap so yeah do let me know your thoughts on on the the NPL. Do let me know how you feel about it if you've used it and I'd be very curious to know more.
Yeah I'm in the side of industry is quite interesting it it started off with sort of a payday loans and quite in a loan shark type company is taking advantage of people an hour into like BNPL which I think is a lot better but still has
Actually he is Klarna I don't know if I just recorded that I actually used Klarna whenever I was an automotive I had a gala coming up and I had to order an outfit for it and there were issues with like five or six deals so I hadn't been pay commissions so like all of my money was going to like it necessities which a gallon thing obviously it's not a gallon outlet whatever right And so I think I'll pay the $25 payment but I will tell you it was a little bit difficult to pay everything off early Klarna doesn't tip didn't like it
And I've been there myself and like in automotive where things are going really really well and I was like oh now is the time to you know repair my credit or whatever just that and that's a whole story in and of itself dealing also ramifications from housing bubble burst in years ago but anyway on that I can see how people would definitely get themselves in trouble because I know that they're like credit threshold I think it's pretty low
Do you know something else that I'm realizing listening to you and Harold I don't understand money or fight like finances like I don't Anyway and I know that I was like raising a family and manhandled it in like anyway but yeah so Fucking idiot whenever it comes to money and finances and I didn't even I didn't understand have so if you guys say
Well I cannot for the life of me imagine that you are in any way an idiot with anything because I've heard a lot of the stuff that you've posted as well and it's brilliant. And good, I mean that's, I'm glad that we can provide some value and there's perhaps something new that we can learn from each other. That's what we're all here for, right?
Completely I mean yeah I am you know highly educated in a lot of areas just not money but it's fine whatever I'll get it figured out I just I guess I don't know it's part of my turning 40 breakdown crisis free invention of myself not really sure something
I have not use this product yet as usually what we have credit cards for buy now pay later I think it's just another business ploy for businesses to sell product and an easy way to write off stuff that isn't being used because you know people have insurance on their credit and they're like all these people didn't pay well just send it to collections and write it off so yeah
Yes that's interesting, I mean when it comes from the business side, the business works sets, credit card or ban up a later, they'll be paid out quickly anyway, they'll just have to pay a premium for credit cards and or a ban up a later. And so the insurance would fall with the actual credit provider and ban up a later is payments in installments rather than lump sum, even though some credit card companies will offer it to pay back. So those would be the key differences I guess, but yeah, no interesting points.
Nobility is it common staple of the credit card that one of the mini savage is the humidity so you see the vet versus it gives you such a discount on things if you mean by but if you can come back to Billy do you have created a charges a great amount that's leading to the business success you see the predatory on the irresponsible people's butt when is wisely it can you do got it pop it
Yeah, I think you nailed it on the heads. Absolutely. It falls down on irresponsible people and people who should not be eligible. Otherwise, any lines of credit and product are exceptional for use in creating and maintaining liquidity in your business or as a consumer. And, nah, I see what it means. I see what it means. certainly break someone if used in the wrong hands.
Is understand the use for about what's going to happen as I feel like the next session is going to be as this by now pay later culture gets bigger and bigger
Yeah, absolutely. And it's definitely growing quickly. I mean, we saw Clana just absolutely inflate their valuation, something extraordinary. Not to mention that's the that's also the scary piece of it. If because it gets bigger and bigger due to, well, basically, subprime credit. So people who can't really be responsible for that kind of credit will keep adding up to their expenses on credit products. So it's a bit of a scary one as it gets bigger, especially because it lux regulation.
So I've use after pay and zip pay and I find them really good if you're like really responsible and gonna pay it like pretty much the next week or something like that arm but other than that yeah they can be a bit dangerous
Is that an Aussie accent? I'm hearing a bit of that. And if so, are these specific to Australia? Because I don't know them personally. But I'm always very keen to find out more about what exists in other regions. And in that case, when you've used them, have you used them over a long period of time with installment payments? or have you been just delaying payments by a week or two as you mentioned?
Yes, it's an Aussie accent and oh my god, I literally thought afterpay and zip pay were like everywhere. Um, that's so funny, but yeah, so what I was saying is you can pay it in installments, but usually I just will **** off after pay and then I'll like a week later get my pay and then paid all.
Yeah, got it. So it becomes then you use it more as a straight credit product essentially and Curious then did they have any early early pay repayment fees things like that Ella 40 at all Um, sorry just out with my dog and the car was coming. Yeah, no very curious and uh, because I I definitely could keep educating myself in fintech, but I'm not familiar with the Aussie the tech on the BNPL front.