The upper back looking kind of good. It looks pretty like well-defined, but it's just the lower back the lower back Like I don't know what type back you try and look for like a bulky back or like a V taper But if you try and do like a V taper then like your lower back needs to be like a little bit slimmed down But it looks pretty good. I give like a good 7 or 8 out of 10