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Okay, so if you want to talk about Jesus seeing God, he also said father, he referred to God as his father multiple times and Muslims do not do that. So regardless of the Aramaic or the Arabic, Jesus had a relationship with God that Muslims don't have with their God. So that's the aha moment.
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Well, I don't think it's an aha moment, my guy, because the Bible is filled with metaphorical language. Especially, you know, going back to the original language. It's filled with like deep and metaphorical speech, which is understood. It is understood in a certain way. It doesn't mean to be taken literally.
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for example it says in I believe it's Acts 17 29 therefore since we are God's offspring we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone an image made by humans design and skill so here you have the believers refer to as God's offspring so that it doesn't make all the believers worthy of worship or begotten children of God
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I do agree with you though that Jesus' relationship with God was different, but I would argue that's because of his position as a messenger of God and his of course his level of piety which we can never dream of achieving. But again you know if he was indeed worthy of worship or God incarnate he should say this right, like we should have at least one unequivocal verse in the Bible.
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Okay, so I said aha moment in response to the original caption and then when you're talking about the Hebraic language I wouldn't say the Bible is filled with it There are certain points for example the Psalms and the Proverbs that are full of deep metaphorical language But for the most part and the law and the prophets for example is very concrete in what it means when it says certain things But who gets to decide? What shouldn't be taken literally and what should be? Because son of God literally means the Son of God
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so when we look at acts 17 and 29 understand it says since we are the offspring of god and paul's making reference to the spirit of adoption that's quoted in romans 8 and 15 right and we receive the the spirit of adoption through the son jesus christ and it says it will come into our hearts and we will refer to god as father this is not saying that we're the originators of the spirit or the visionaries of god we're the offspring
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So you would argue that he would say it, why is it not enough that he would demonstrate his divinity? Because the way people are gonna miss it is if you're not reading the gospels through Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and it's been revealed to you the same way it was revealed to Peter, that the things that he's doing just clearly demonstrate that he's God, you're not gonna, you're gonna miss it. Because he didn't come here just to attract worship to himself or to say, yeah, I'm gonna miss it.
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I get your point about, you know, the actions over just the words alone, but that again alone is not proof of divinity, right? It's not even proof of authenticity because I believe there's a verse somewhere in the Bible, I have to go look it up, where it's like warning us about the false messiahs that will come towards the day of judgment and they'll be having all these miraculous signs. It doesn't mean that they're, you know, true.
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For instance, we believe that Jesus gave sight to the blind and that he healed the lepers and brought back the dead to life. But this is power that God gave him. These are miracles that God gave to him, just like how Moses was a man, made of flesh and bone like you and I. He couldn't physically split the sea, but this was a power that God gave him as part of his signs as a prophet.
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Okay, so we're talking about Jesus saying God Okay, so let's just focus on that first Okay, so he said in Aramaic Allah, right Allah So acknowledge that Okay When it comes to him saying father and all that other stuff What we do know is he said Allah When he referred to God, that's what we do know
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And when he said father, he did not mean that this is my father that had interrelations with my mother. He does not calling him that kind of father. We know that. So when he says father, we, we have to know at that point that he doesn't mean like a real father, like how us humans have fathers, okay, because God didn't have, you know, uh, relations with a woman. Um, he created in her womb, uh, this child, uh, he is the creator.
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now you're saying some phrase in Arabic does this because I told you the cognates from these words they share similar similarities across the borders so you're saying some some Arabic this ila la ilaha was that what does have that have to do anything with our make something that starts with e not eve I have a no IE Ella Ella no Ila
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Okay, I think we need to have a talk about this, so let's schedule a talk because this voice notes going back and forth like this is for the birds.
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