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I'm a Muslim who was raised in the West and you know the whole woman getting you know unalive by not wearing a hijab that's not really Islam that's just that's culture it's not Islam. Islam is tolerable if you're actually doing it like actually practicing by religion and not culture so it's tolerable trust me
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But Jasmine, you have to understand that Islam creates a culture. It's not just a religion, right? It's not like when you go to America and church and state are separate so we can say that, oh, the culture isn't Christian, but, you know, you can just go to religion. No, in Islamic countries, the culture and the religion is one, right? You live out exactly how the Quran and the Hadith say you're supposed to live out in the culture, in society.
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You are partially right indeed. Islam is a way of life. It is not a passive religion independent of real life like Christianity That doesn't change your life. Just say I'm a Christian and do whatever you want This does not mean that all actions of Muslims are imposed by Islam This is why the laws of Muslim countries and their cultures are not identical But the ancient Islamic countries in history who implemented Islam faithfully achieved glory in all fields
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It just seems like you're biased and you don't really want to learn more about Islam and You're kind of just making up this facade because The people in these countries are going off of culture not religion. You have to get that through your head not religion
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all right so number one right is the hijab part of culture or islam can you please tell me that first and foremost like let's go through this one by one because then your accusation of me being biased or not we're gonna see how much sense that's gonna make so tell me is the hijab part of culture or is it part of religion is it part of islam
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The hijab is part of Islam, but people confuse Islam with culture. They mix it up.
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Alright then, so if the hijab is part of Islam and there are things that exist which are called Islamic countries, we can actually safely say they are Islamic countries. Would it not be fair to say that Islam creates the culture of these countries? God, this is the social rule and Islam determines the ordinances and laws of these countries, isn't that the same thing? Doesn't then the religion become the culture?
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Islam does not, like I said, people hide behind religion to make their actions validated basically because nobody's going to bat an eye if they say, oh, it's Islamic or it's a part of Islam. Even in Christianity, people say they're Christians and they have sex and they do drugs and sin all the time, but they're still Christian. So again, people are extremists.
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Okay, it's interesting that you say that there's extremist Muslims because you're either a Muslim or you're not I don't think there's an extreme way to follow the Quran other than absolutely follow it Do you know I'm saying but anyway, I think you're missing the point because you're bringing up Christianity. I'm saying there are such things as Islamic countries and at the heart of these Islamic countries is The Quran the hadiths and what they teach. All right, there's no such thing as a Christian country So you can't kind of use that example
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Mean it seems like you're not understanding the point because I said It does not say in Islam in any way shape or form that if hijabi takes off her hijab to execute her Okay, you're just bringing that up You're saying this is what happened and this is what they did because that's what they do in a lot of not a lot I mean, I guess some in some Islamic countries they're doing too much and death is not punishable if You take your hijab off so I don't understand where you're coming from
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How could you say it's not Islamic when it's literally commanded within the Quran and Hadith that the women are supposed to cover their hair or suffer punishment? How is that not Islamic? And then as a matter of fact, how did she end up in court? Because that's the thing as well. How are women in Islam, Islamic countries, being summoned to court because they're not wearing a hijab? Imagine!
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Now you're just making shit up because the Quran does not say that and Muslim women are told to wear their hijab in the Quran but again, we are beings that have free will and In order like if you wear it or not, that's just between you and God But there's nothing in the Quran saying kill the person if they're not wearing the hijab. It's just told that you should wear it So get your facts straight
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I mean, it's obligatory, but again, free will. We all have free will. We're not like animals and stuff. We can make our own decisions, and it's between God and the person. But what I'm basically, what it is, and I don't know wherever this comes from, it's the culture that's doing this and hiding behind religion, which is really dumb.
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And bear in mind, this is why Islam is crazy, because you're not opposed to these two young women that's died, right? No one said anything about these two young women dying or condemned their actions or whatever. What's going on is you lot are just all defending Islam. No one gives a damn about these women. No one actually investigates and say, why are these things happening? Because these are not only, these aren't the only two female victims of this.
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These things are happening over and over and over again. We even had, a couple months ago, those, she looked like she was from like Eastern Africa, like kind of like Somalian. She was, I guess she was doing something on TikTok without her hijab. Her brother beat her senseless. No one, no Muslims have come out and say, yo, leave the woman alone if they don't wanna wear the hijab. No, no, no, no. It's only when we start talking about Islam and why it's actually permissible to do these things to a woman for not wearing the hijab, all of you wanna defend Islam.
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I mean, me for real. I mean, again, a lot of cultures are messed up. I'm Somali myself, I'm not gonna lie. I really, really do not like my culture, especially how, you know, women are treated. But again, every single culture is that way, you know what I mean? Every culture is just messed up, because they're just going off of what or how people lived back in the day, and they want this generation to live the same way. But that's not the way. That's not how it is.
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And I'm assuming death and killing people for not following Cultural norms and stuff are killed all over the world. It's not just Islam It just seems like you're nitpicking Islam You just want to find the bad in it and don't want to you know, learn more about the good
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okay so here's the thing in many countries right they i agree they do practice sharia to different extents right some are more strict some are more lax however the main route here is islam all of these laws and legislations come from islam the same way people can be put to death for talking bad about muhammad is the same way people can be arrested for not wearing hijab the issue is islam
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Some Western countries accuse Muslim communities of forcing women to cover their heads. But at the same time, these same countries force women not to cover their heads so it's not a question of religion. It is above countries to forcing or not to forcing a choice on its people. It has nothing to do with Islam. Some countries even force homosexuality lessons to kids without approval of their parent and brainwashed the future generation. It is not logic to pick few examples from a country and give a general conclusion.
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Okay, so tell me something, yeah, if it's not a question of religion, where does the hijab come from? It comes from Islam, right? In countries like Iran and Iraq, what is the consequence for women not wearing the hijab when it's mandatory in those countries? Tell me what the punishment is and if there's punishment that contributes to the fact that it is forced. You are supposed to do this otherwise there's a consequence.
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Covering women's head is also mentioned in Bible, but anyway, the women have the choice to do whatever she wants, but some Western countries deleted this option to choose to wear the hijab. I don't know the rules of all countries, but I know that several Muslim countries don't force women to wear the hijab. You can just look of their media channels and see that some women don't cover their head and still alive.
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